The Hulk and Superman II: Where did they go wrong?

Superman II and Hulk were the only two movies I agonized over what rating to give them. I gave Superman II a "good" and the Hulk a "tedious". But both had problems that I could not ignore.

The problems of Superman II almost pulled it down from "good" to "bad" for me. In the movie Superman gives up his powers to live a life with Lois Lane. When he eventually is forced to take them back, he has to end his relationship with Lois. When she becomes upset, he gives her The Kiss of Forgetfulness! What the hell kind of power is this? It makes no sense and nearly ruins the movie.

Another problem I had with the movie is when powerless Clark Kent gets into a fight with a bully in a diner. At the end of the film, repowered Clark Kent uses his super strength to beat the crap out of the bully. This is somewhat petty on Superman's part, but the real puzzler is that he's using his powers in front of a crowded diner in his Clark Kent guise. I'll bet he didn't give them all The Kiss of Forgetfulness.

As for the Hulk, he appears way to late in the film. 45 minutes into it to be exact. The movie also suffered because it took a cerebral approach, when the Hulk is anything but that. A friend of mine told me that when he went to see the Hulk, people talked openly and loudly during the movie. During a slow scene, one person shouted, "Vagina!".

The movie is slow, but that does not excuse the aforementioned behavior. If someone is bored, then they can always get their money back if they don't finish the film.